Posted by: unionistsnotconservatives | March 4, 2009

Tories Messing With Devolution

Just read this on the BBC about the transfer of policing and justice:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7922768.stm

I would like to highlight this part “The Conservatives want the NI secretary to assume transferred policing and justice powers if parties cannot agree. ”

The conservatives have NO electoral mandate in Northern Ireland. The transfer of P+J is up to the local elected parties. THe Tories should keep thier unwelcome noses out of things that dont concern them.

If the parties want the SOS to take these power then thats for them not for the Tories to dictate

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Responses

  1. It’s for the United Kingdom parliament to dictate considering that that is where the power is currently reserved.

    • No it is not for them to DICTATE, the Labour GOVERNMENT has agreed that P+J will be delvoved
      when the parties agree. It has nothing to do with the Tories who have no electoral mandate in Ulser

  2. The Conservatives are entitled to debate the enabling legislation in Parliament. Indeed, it is their duty to do that. The operative words in the Conservative Statement are “if the parties cannot agree”

    That is a perfectly sound suggestion. If the parties can not agree, there ought to be some mechanism in the legislation for resolving a potential impasse. An impasse could occur if, after the next MLA elections, the two parties occupying FM and DFM positions can not agree on who should be minister for P & J. They want to agree now on one somebody from the Alliance Party but what if they dont?

    • If the parties do not agree then the status quo should remain until the parties do agree. It is not for a party
      with no electoral mandate to dictate what should be done with policing and justice

  3. Westminster is considering a bill which will enable devolution of policing and justice from the sovereign parliament to the Northern Ireland Assembly. That would require the consent of parliament, in which the Conservatives are the second biggest party. You do understand that I assume?

    • It is for not them to dictate about powers which are to be devolved, either they stay at westminster or are devolvoed to stormont, that is what has already been agreed.
      Do the Ulster Unionists agree that policing and justice should be left in the hands of the secretary of state, or is this another solo run by the Tories?

  4. “It is not for a party with no electoral mandate to dictate what should be done with policing and justice”

    The Conservatives have an electoral mandate. they are the second biggest party in the UK.

    • They have no electoral mandate in Northern Ireland and should not be dictate with issues relating to devlolution

  5. “It is for not them to dictate about powers which are to be devolved, either they stay at westminster or are devolvoed to stormont, that is what has already been agreed.”

    So it is not for Westminster to consider which powers it devolves to regional assemblies?

    • That has already been agreed

      • What? You said, ‘it is for not them to dictate about powers which are to be devolved, either they stay at westminster or are devolvoed to stormont’. So I ask you again, is it, or is it not, in the power of the sovereign parliament to decide which powers it devolves to regional assemblies?

      • Chekov , it has ALREADY been agreed between the local parties, where the Tories have NO MANDATE, and the government about the devolution of P+J.
        No local party has asked that these powers be put into the hands of the SOS. That has been done by the Tories who have no electoral mandate in Northern Ireland

  6. “They have no electoral mandate in Northern Ireland and should not be dictate with issues relating to devlolution.”

    Policing and justice hasn’t been devolved. Responsibility for policing and justice remains at Westminster.

    • The debate is about devolving policing and justice

      • I repeat, policing and justice is currently a reserved power. Can you explain to me why parties at Westminster should be precluded from debating whether that parliament should devolve a reserved power?

  7. “Chekov , it has ALREADY been agreed between the local parties, where the Tories have NO MANDATE, and the government about the devolution of P+J.”

    But the proposal is to devolve the power from Westminster, where it currently resides, and where Conservatives do have a mandate. Should the local parties be able to unilaterally declare their desire to take any power from Westminster without any debate in that parliament?

    “No local party has asked that these powers be put into the hands of the SOS. That has been done by the Tories who have no electoral mandate in Northern Ireland”

    The Conservatives are proposing a measure should devolution of P & J fail. Given that P & J is currently within the competence of Westminster, and given that that is where the Conservatives intend to debate it, they are completely within their rights.

    So unless the Conservatives intend to invade the chamber at Stormont they are exercising their mandate within the UK parliament.

    • The tories are trying to go over the heads of locally elected parties and impose their solution just like the Anglo Irish agreement all over again

      • Maybe we should try to go through this in bite sized chunks.

        Ok, deep breath.

        Where does sovereignty rest in the United Kingdom?

      • Lets not, its just another case of the Tories trying to impose a measure that NO party, and I include the UUP in that, of favouring.
        No electoral mandate doesnt stop them pushing their ideas on us.

  8. Should read

    *Should the local parties be able to unilaterally declare their desire to take any power from Westminster without any debate in that parliament with that declaration being sufficient to devolve the power?

  9. I can only assume, in that case, that you object to Westminster legislating on behalf of Northern Ireland, even when a matter is reserved.

    Perhaps you should call yourself ‘neither unionist nor conservative’ or just ‘ulster nationalist’.

    • The Government has already agreed a pathway for the devolution of P+J with the local parties. No where in that pathway was for p+j powers to be given to the SOS.
      That is a Tory idea and should be binned, the Tories have NO ELECTORAL MANDATE in Northern Ireland.

      • Sovereignty does not lie with the Labour party in conjunction with local parties. Sovereignty lies with the crown in parliament. Are you denying the competence of parliament to debate matters pertaining to its regions and devolve power to those regions at its discretion?

      • debating isnt the issue, the issue is a tory party with no electoral mandate trying to impose a solution not supported by any political party INCLUDING the UUP.

      • How is it planning to ‘impose’ this solution? A coup? Military force?


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